XFLUSFLGUY wrote: ↑Sat Apr 13, 2024 5:15 pm
Oklahoma Renegades has a nice ring to it. Move them there next season and Start another edition of the red river rivalry with the Roughnecks and the Brahmas.
They are not leaving the top 5 Dallas TV market for small OKC.
This, although they would if they had larger markets. Case in point, the NHL is leaving the larger Phoenix market for the smaller Salt Lake City, but they can do that because they have three teams in the New York Metro area, two teams in LA, Philly, Chicago, San Jose and Toronto. Same for MLB going from Oakland to Las Vegas (with a stop in Sacramento before then). Both leagues can afford to do that because they have larger markets. The UFL doesn't have that at this point. They don't have larger markets to afford to move a team like the Renegades to a smaller market.
The Renegades will be back in Arlington in 2025, however I do think if attendance becomes really bad next year, the UFL will have to at least consider the possibility of moving them to a smaller stadium in the DFW area, especially if they remain the league's biggest market.
We've had decades of media conditioning that the OG USFL was this smashing success that you-know-who ruined (well other than the fact that the whole outfit made the AAF look like a Fortune 500 company and Einhorn/Dunivant had more to do with the move anyway, yeah). So naturally the non-NFL audience is going to be limited outside of St. Louis.
San Antonio's gonna be a huge disappointment if it's anything less than 10K (minor disappointment for the next few as you go up). You want a team that's gonna stick around for more than a year, well here you are. Unfortunately the problem with these "next NFL markets" like SA, O-town, wherever, is like that scene in The Replacements when the guy calls in blustering and ranting about the Sentinels' overpaid primadonnas, and when he's asked about the replacements he's all YEAH RIGHT. Hell I live most of the year in a mid city that did that with an Arena/IFL team, and the new USL team that debuted a few weeks back will die off in a few years as well because of it.
So unfortunately, that's what we're up against, barring rather large investments (starting with a B).
XFLUSFLGUY wrote: ↑Sat Apr 13, 2024 5:15 pm
Oklahoma Renegades has a nice ring to it. Move them there next season and Start another edition of the red river rivalry with the Roughnecks and the Brahmas.
They are not leaving the top 5 Dallas TV market for small OKC.
This, although they would if they had larger markets. Case in point, the NHL is leaving the larger Phoenix market for the smaller Salt Lake City, but they can do that because they have three teams in the New York Metro area, two teams in LA, Philly, Chicago, San Jose and Toronto. Same for MLB going from Oakland to Las Vegas (with a stop in Sacramento before then). Both leagues can afford to do that because they have larger markets. The UFL doesn't have that at this point. They don't have larger markets to afford to move a team like the Renegades to a smaller market.
The Renegades will be back in Arlington in 2025, however I do think if attendance becomes really bad next year, the UFL will have to at least consider the possibility of moving them to a smaller stadium in the DFW area, especially if they remain the league's biggest market.
Gdawg - good point and examples. Agreed.
Plus they have a deal with the city of Arlington and naming rights.
I still say the ticket pricing is an issue - that can be adjusted for thru discounting and next year via revised pricing.
I still say the ticket pricing is an issue - that can be adjusted for thru discounting and next year via revised pricing.
And I'm done with that argument, these are the same people that fill casinos. If $30 is a problem there (good luck even getting into AT&T for a vending machine much less the Cowboys) then you should seriously have some privileges revoked.
1) Birm opened up like Friday or even Saturday endzone seats $10 sections and those sold out (or damn close) quickly.
2) The most expensive $84 and $50 tickets (with seat backs) sold out (virtually) and those have access to the "Stadium Club" section above the seating.
3) The corner seats which were $20 did not sell well leading up to the the weekend, when they lowered those seat costs - they started selling. At the same time 0-25 yrd seats went up slightly in cost.
4) it was great weather for a game - that helps late sales/walk ups.
5) The Alabama spring game was at 3pm and had 72k.
6) Nascar up next - Birm has work to do to get even 10k for next weeks game. Right now looks like half. Those reduced corner seat prices for week 1 haven't happened in week 2 yet. They should have lowered them before this game to get people to buy while at the game. Not thinking fast enough.
Conclusion: Pricing impacts attendance more than anything. Other events and their appeal negatively impacts attendance. Each market has different population bases and economic demographics One size may not fit all. Common sense stuff. But the league can be more nimble and adjust quicker.
Overall reported attendance is averaging ~13.8k a game with 12 more reg season games in SA, StL and DC. Need them to continue to over perform or better and league can get around 15k avg a game/reg season. With the pricing as is - not too bad.
TV ratings are way more important and this is a key weekend with no CBB or NBA saturday - just the Masters, MLB/NHL so lets hope for best there.
4th&long wrote: ↑Sun Apr 14, 2024 11:32 am
A few things of interest to note:
1) Birm opened up like Friday or even Saturday endzone seats $10 sections and those sold out (or damn close) quickly.
2) The most expensive $84 and $50 tickets (with seat backs) sold out (virtually) and those have access to the "Stadium Club" section above the seating.
3) The corner seats which were $20 did not sell well leading up to the the weekend, when they lowered those seat costs - they started selling. At the same time 0-25 yrd seats went up slightly in cost.
4) it was great weather for a game - that helps late sales/walk ups.
5) The Alabama spring game was at 3pm and had 72k.
6) Nascar up next - Birm has work to do to get even 10k for next weeks game. Right now looks like half. Those reduced corner seat prices for week 1 haven't happened in week 2 yet. They should have lowered them before this game to get people to buy while at the game. Not thinking fast enough.
Conclusion: Pricing impacts attendance more than anything. Other events and their appeal negatively impacts attendance. Each market has different population bases and economic demographics One size may not fit all. Common sense stuff. But the league can be more nimble and adjust quicker.
Overall reported attendance is averaging ~13.8k a game with 12 more reg season games in SA, StL and DC. Need them to continue to over perform or better and league can get around 15k avg a game/reg season. With the pricing as is - not too bad.
TV ratings are way more important and this is a key weekend with no CBB or NBA saturday - just the Masters, MLB/NHL so lets hope for best there.
As boring as golf is as a TV sport, don't underestimate the number of people watching the Masters.
Based on rumors of expansion to Canton and Nashville, I would not move any of the larger market teams that are struggling to smaller markets, at least not until the league gets bigger markets.
If in 2025 the Panthers struggle again in attendance, I still would not move them unless the Generals and Stars are in the cities they were originally designated for (New Jersey and Philly) and the league adds the Chicago Blitz (and I am skeptical that Chicago would be a success since it has failed in Spring Football in the past and there's no guarantee it will be a success this time around) and is open to paying exorbitant amounts of cash to place teams in the San Francisco Bay Area and Los Angeles (and Los Angeles is similar to Chicago in Spring Football in that it hasn't ever worked before so there's no guarantee it will work again).
Here's the thing about cheap tickets and BOGO deals, they need to advertise this outside of UFL social media pages. The Alabama A game had 71k people yesterday. The Stallions should have set up a table outside the stadium advertising $10 tickets for the Stallions home opener. Even if only 2% bought, that's an extra 1400 fans and $14k in ticket sales. Couple that with parking, concessions, and merchandise and that game could've brought in an easy $25-30k in extra revenue.
laxtreme56 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 14, 2024 2:07 pm
Here's the thing about cheap tickets and BOGO deals, they need to advertise this outside of UFL social media pages. The Alabama A game had 71k people yesterday. The Stallions should have set up a table outside the stadium advertising $10 tickets for the Stallions home opener. Even if only 2% bought, that's an extra 1400 fans and $14k in ticket sales. Couple that with parking, concessions, and merchandise and that game could've brought in an easy $25-30k in extra revenue.
We'll see how season plays out. All these things will be learned and incorporated into 2025 and some later in 2024.
The 7k at Mich is enough to get crowd nice - same with the 12k at Birm
