Xfl has shockingly similar marketing USFL had leading into their season 1

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Xfl has shockingly similar marketing USFL had leading into their season 1

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https://www.foxsports.com/watch/1997482563691 (USFLs coach video)

The amount of similarity between the leagues marketing strategies leading to their season 1 is wild, seems to be nearly identical from schedule to the type of content they release. With how after the xfl talks Dany hyped the marketing strategy it’s just surprising how similar it is to USFLs marketing leading into season 1. It isn’t the worst thing if it saves money they can still for sure get viewers it was just surprising the difference between the more flashy league and the less flashy league isn’t large
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I am always a little leery of any football teams that have co-coordinators, especially on offense. The Miami Dolphins had that issue last year and it was never revealed which of the Dolphins two co-offensive coordinators called plays last year or which voice Tua heard in his helmet. Now it's one clear voice, Mike McDaniel, and it's one of the reasons why Tua has been great this season. So who's going to call plays for Arlington? Is it going to be Chuck Long or Jonathan Hayes? Is it going to be both? Because if it both, it may end up being disastrous as a co-OC system has never been successful at a professional level. Yes, Hayes and Long know each other and worked together in St. Louis in 2020, but it's better if teams have one voice calling plays on offense. And Hayes called the plays as Head Coach in 2020, which is different and a system that has worked a lot. Never has there ever been a Two Offensive Coordinator System which works. I would guess that Hayes is the one that calls the plays since Long is also going to be QB Coach but if that is going to be the case, why not make Hayes the OC and Long the Passing Game Coordinator? Why make them Co-OCs?

Same situation on defense, who's calling the defensive plays for Arlington? Is it going to be Tim Lewis? Or Jay Hayes? Also neither of them coach a position.
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What's wild is FOX having an article on their "competitor" (though it doesn't seem to be there now), although it's really only four weeks of overlap. The NFL and CFL would be head-to-head competitors (since they overlap for 12) based on that logic.

But fans benefit more than anything else. With the exception of the Pro Bowl Hunger Games or whatever they're called now (truly the Firebert of football names), I'm not remembering offhand if there's a college all-star game that week, that gives you football games every week for 10-11 months. The year-round football that Roger Goodell mentioned about a decade ago (and since there's no way the NFL could possibly play for anything beyond six months there you go).
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MGB01 wrote: Wed Nov 30, 2022 3:01 pm What's wild is FOX having an article on their "competitor" (though it doesn't seem to be there now), although it's really only four weeks of overlap. The NFL and CFL would be head-to-head competitors (since they overlap for 12) based on that logic.

But fans benefit more than anything else. With the exception of the Pro Bowl Hunger Games or whatever they're called now (truly the Firebert of football names), I'm not remembering offhand if there's a college all-star game that week, that gives you football games every week for 10-11 months. The year-round football that Roger Goodell mentioned about a decade ago (and since there's no way the NFL could possibly play for anything beyond six months there you go).
The NFL may only play for six months, but they are in the news for all of them. There will be coaching and GM changes, free agency and the draft plus minicamps. So technically the NFL is a year round league, because of the offseason activity in the NFL.
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GDAWG wrote: Wed Nov 30, 2022 3:10 pm
MGB01 wrote: Wed Nov 30, 2022 3:01 pm What's wild is FOX having an article on their "competitor" (though it doesn't seem to be there now), although it's really only four weeks of overlap. The NFL and CFL would be head-to-head competitors (since they overlap for 12) based on that logic.

But fans benefit more than anything else. With the exception of the Pro Bowl Hunger Games or whatever they're called now (truly the Firebert of football names), I'm not remembering offhand if there's a college all-star game that week, that gives you football games every week for 10-11 months. The year-round football that Roger Goodell mentioned about a decade ago (and since there's no way the NFL could possibly play for anything beyond six months there you go).
The NFL may only play for six months, but they are in the news for all of them. There will be coaching and GM changes, free agency and the draft plus minicamps. So technically the NFL is a year round league, because of the offseason activity in the NFL.
True, but that only goes so far. Not only were the Broncos anointed Super Bowl champs, but it actually ended up playing into the ridiculously overblown narrative of how a fire would affect their games five months later (they had 65 and 75,000 for both preseason games, clearly affected)

And after a day or so whether it's free agency, trades, draft picks, schedule, etc, it's all the same thing anyway. And the story of the Wilsons, both Russell and Zach, have pretty much shown the "second season" to be garbage.
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herns wrote: Wed Nov 30, 2022 1:22 pm

https://www.foxsports.com/watch/1997482563691

The amount of similarity between the leagues marketing strategies leading to their season 1 is wild, seems to be nearly identical from schedule to the type of content they release. With how after the xfl talks Dany hyped the marketing strategy it’s just surprising how similar it is to USFLs marketing leading into season 1. It isn’t the worst thing if it saves money they can still for sure get viewers it was just surprising the difference between the more flashy league and the less flashy league isn’t large
I've always said the differences between all theses leagues and incarnations is small. Its all execution and funding.
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GDAWG wrote: Wed Nov 30, 2022 1:39 pm I am always a little leery of any football teams that have co-coordinators, especially on offense. The Miami Dolphins had that issue last year and it was never revealed which of the Dolphins two co-offensive coordinators called plays last year or which voice Tua heard in his helmet. Now it's one clear voice, Mike McDaniel, and it's one of the reasons why Tua has been great this season. So who's going to call plays for Arlington? Is it going to be Chuck Long or Jonathan Hayes? Is it going to be both? Because if it both, it may end up being disastrous as a co-OC system has never been successful at a professional level. Yes, Hayes and Long know each other and worked together in St. Louis in 2020, but it's better if teams have one voice calling plays on offense. And Hayes called the plays as Head Coach in 2020, which is different and a system that has worked a lot. Never has there ever been a Two Offensive Coordinator System which works. I would guess that Hayes is the one that calls the plays since Long is also going to be QB Coach but if that is going to be the case, why not make Hayes the OC and Long the Passing Game Coordinator? Why make them Co-OCs?

Same situation on defense, who's calling the defensive plays for Arlington? Is it going to be Tim Lewis? Or Jay Hayes? Also neither of them coach a position.
>>So who's going to call plays for Arlington?<< Ben Franklin since the XFL is dropping a $h#t load of them.
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4th&long wrote: Wed Nov 30, 2022 3:46 pm
GDAWG wrote: Wed Nov 30, 2022 1:39 pm I am always a little leery of any football teams that have co-coordinators, especially on offense. The Miami Dolphins had that issue last year and it was never revealed which of the Dolphins two co-offensive coordinators called plays last year or which voice Tua heard in his helmet. Now it's one clear voice, Mike McDaniel, and it's one of the reasons why Tua has been great this season. So who's going to call plays for Arlington? Is it going to be Chuck Long or Jonathan Hayes? Is it going to be both? Because if it both, it may end up being disastrous as a co-OC system has never been successful at a professional level. Yes, Hayes and Long know each other and worked together in St. Louis in 2020, but it's better if teams have one voice calling plays on offense. And Hayes called the plays as Head Coach in 2020, which is different and a system that has worked a lot. Never has there ever been a Two Offensive Coordinator System which works. I would guess that Hayes is the one that calls the plays since Long is also going to be QB Coach but if that is going to be the case, why not make Hayes the OC and Long the Passing Game Coordinator? Why make them Co-OCs?

Same situation on defense, who's calling the defensive plays for Arlington? Is it going to be Tim Lewis? Or Jay Hayes? Also neither of them coach a position.
>>So who's going to call plays for Arlington?<< Ben Franklin since the XFL is dropping a $h#t load of them.
We don't know how much they're getting paid. The roster size is similar to the USFL, and based on the "name" quarterbacks they drafted, I can't see any of them commanding more than $250k base salary.
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laxtreme56 wrote: Wed Nov 30, 2022 3:55 pm
4th&long wrote: Wed Nov 30, 2022 3:46 pm
GDAWG wrote: Wed Nov 30, 2022 1:39 pm I am always a little leery of any football teams that have co-coordinators, especially on offense. The Miami Dolphins had that issue last year and it was never revealed which of the Dolphins two co-offensive coordinators called plays last year or which voice Tua heard in his helmet. Now it's one clear voice, Mike McDaniel, and it's one of the reasons why Tua has been great this season. So who's going to call plays for Arlington? Is it going to be Chuck Long or Jonathan Hayes? Is it going to be both? Because if it both, it may end up being disastrous as a co-OC system has never been successful at a professional level. Yes, Hayes and Long know each other and worked together in St. Louis in 2020, but it's better if teams have one voice calling plays on offense. And Hayes called the plays as Head Coach in 2020, which is different and a system that has worked a lot. Never has there ever been a Two Offensive Coordinator System which works. I would guess that Hayes is the one that calls the plays since Long is also going to be QB Coach but if that is going to be the case, why not make Hayes the OC and Long the Passing Game Coordinator? Why make them Co-OCs?

Same situation on defense, who's calling the defensive plays for Arlington? Is it going to be Tim Lewis? Or Jay Hayes? Also neither of them coach a position.
>>So who's going to call plays for Arlington?<< Ben Franklin since the XFL is dropping a $h#t load of them.
We don't know how much they're getting paid. The roster size is similar to the USFL, and based on the "name" quarterbacks they drafted, I can't see any of them commanding more than $250k base salary.
I'm talking about the size of staffs and front/back offices... Lots of $$$. Players diff
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MGB01 wrote: Wed Nov 30, 2022 3:01 pm What's wild is FOX having an article on their "competitor" (though it doesn't seem to be there now), although it's really only four weeks of overlap. The NFL and CFL would be head-to-head competitors (since they overlap for 12) based on that logic.
Considering that Fox is basically accusing the XFL of plagiarism, it shouldn't really be THAT surprising that an article like this would be published.

After all, it's not much different than when CBS Sports would have Ben Kercheval constantly push stories on how great the AAF was and how mediocre the XFL was after that.

Independent sports journalism is rare. You might find it in places like The Athletic now and then, but it's a business, and everyone has an interest/.
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