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GDAWG wrote: Thu Dec 01, 2022 12:12 pm
4th&long wrote: Thu Dec 01, 2022 11:24 am
Firecop wrote: Thu Dec 01, 2022 10:15 am Head to head, I MO the XFL is winning the QB competition.
I wouldn't call it a competition so much as them paying more $$. Is that the right strategy? Or will USFL counter or avoid a bidding war? We'll see that too. Money talk$ in hiring but burning money can hurt and the XFL is a way more heavily staffed org than USFL. That cost$.

I'm also concerned about the economy and impact on both leagues.
I think the XFL will be fine because of RedBird Capital. Unless they all of a sudden start to invest heavily in Crypto, Gerry Cardinale and Redbird Capital won't have any financial issues. If they did, they would not have bought AC Milan for $1.3 billion in September.
I do not see RBC as the blank check savior for XFL. If it were we'd have heard that publicly. Also the Sportico article about XFL looking to sell 35-45% of the league for $125mm tells me otherwise. They've been slow walking the league since the announced no 2021 season back in Summer/Fall 2020. Having money and being willing to spend it are two different things. AC Milan is an investment, XFL is a business. 2023 season execution is big, but so is the economy and that may hurt in 2023.
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GregParks wrote: Thu Dec 01, 2022 12:26 pm
Firecop wrote: Thu Dec 01, 2022 10:15 am Head to head, I MO the XFL is winning the QB competition.
With the caveat that a lot can change between now and when players report to training camp, both positive (adding more, higher-level QBs during supplemental draft) and negative (players choosing USFL over XFL, choosing not to report, being signed by NFL teams), I would tend to agree.

I think the fact that many of the assigned QBs were paraded up during the selection show and went through with the dog-and-pony show of being intro'd by coaches and putting on the hats tells you're they are ones who are pretty committed.
Agreed that those trucked out were likely under contract already and are safely XFL in 2023.
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4th&long wrote: Thu Dec 01, 2022 2:56 pm
GDAWG wrote: Thu Dec 01, 2022 12:12 pm
4th&long wrote: Thu Dec 01, 2022 11:24 am

I wouldn't call it a competition so much as them paying more $$. Is that the right strategy? Or will USFL counter or avoid a bidding war? We'll see that too. Money talk$ in hiring but burning money can hurt and the XFL is a way more heavily staffed org than USFL. That cost$.

I'm also concerned about the economy and impact on both leagues.
I think the XFL will be fine because of RedBird Capital. Unless they all of a sudden start to invest heavily in Crypto, Gerry Cardinale and Redbird Capital won't have any financial issues. If they did, they would not have bought AC Milan for $1.3 billion in September.
I do not see RBC as the blank check savior for XFL. If it were we'd have heard that publicly. Also the Sportico article about XFL looking to sell 35-45% of the league for $125mm tells me otherwise. They've been slow walking the league since the announced no 2021 season back in Summer/Fall 2020. Having money and being willing to spend it are two different things. AC Milan is an investment, XFL is a business. 2023 season execution is big, but so is the economy and that may hurt in 2023.
Which is totally not the same as FOX doing so with the USFL for the last nine months...........................
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4th&long wrote: Thu Dec 01, 2022 2:56 pm
GDAWG wrote: Thu Dec 01, 2022 12:12 pm
4th&long wrote: Thu Dec 01, 2022 11:24 am

I wouldn't call it a competition so much as them paying more $$. Is that the right strategy? Or will USFL counter or avoid a bidding war? We'll see that too. Money talk$ in hiring but burning money can hurt and the XFL is a way more heavily staffed org than USFL. That cost$.

I'm also concerned about the economy and impact on both leagues.
I think the XFL will be fine because of RedBird Capital. Unless they all of a sudden start to invest heavily in Crypto, Gerry Cardinale and Redbird Capital won't have any financial issues. If they did, they would not have bought AC Milan for $1.3 billion in September.
I do not see RBC as the blank check savior for XFL. If it were we'd have heard that publicly. Also the Sportico article about XFL looking to sell 35-45% of the league for $125mm tells me otherwise. They've been slow walking the league since the announced no 2021 season back in Summer/Fall 2020. Having money and being willing to spend it are two different things. AC Milan is an investment, XFL is a business. 2023 season execution is big, but so is the economy and that may hurt in 2023.
The economy would most likely affect smaller niche leagues, but I can't see the major leagues being significantly affected by it as there will be teams in the Big 5 that will be for sale in 2023 and people still interested in buying those teams. We have: The Commanders in the NFL, Nationals and Angels in MLB, Suns in NBA, Senators in NHL and maybe the Timbers in MLS, none of whom will be sold until 2023.
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MGB01 wrote: Thu Dec 01, 2022 3:31 pm
4th&long wrote: Thu Dec 01, 2022 2:56 pm
GDAWG wrote: Thu Dec 01, 2022 12:12 pm

I think the XFL will be fine because of RedBird Capital. Unless they all of a sudden start to invest heavily in Crypto, Gerry Cardinale and Redbird Capital won't have any financial issues. If they did, they would not have bought AC Milan for $1.3 billion in September.
I do not see RBC as the blank check savior for XFL. If it were we'd have heard that publicly. Also the Sportico article about XFL looking to sell 35-45% of the league for $125mm tells me otherwise. They've been slow walking the league since the announced no 2021 season back in Summer/Fall 2020. Having money and being willing to spend it are two different things. AC Milan is an investment, XFL is a business. 2023 season execution is big, but so is the economy and that may hurt in 2023.
Which is totally not the same as FOX doing so with the USFL for the last nine months...........................
Much diff biz model than XFL.

USFL is leveraging existing Fox backoffice
USFL cost structure is much lower
USFL revenue stream is built into the Fox network as they sell direct to advertisers
USFL Gross revenue is about same as the cost of running the league

Not saying the USFL isn't subject to many of the same things as XFL and economy in general, but there also are significant differences.
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4th&long wrote: Thu Dec 01, 2022 2:56 pm
GDAWG wrote: Thu Dec 01, 2022 12:12 pm
4th&long wrote: Thu Dec 01, 2022 11:24 am

I wouldn't call it a competition so much as them paying more $$. Is that the right strategy? Or will USFL counter or avoid a bidding war? We'll see that too. Money talk$ in hiring but burning money can hurt and the XFL is a way more heavily staffed org than USFL. That cost$.

I'm also concerned about the economy and impact on both leagues.
I think the XFL will be fine because of RedBird Capital. Unless they all of a sudden start to invest heavily in Crypto, Gerry Cardinale and Redbird Capital won't have any financial issues. If they did, they would not have bought AC Milan for $1.3 billion in September.
I do not see RBC as the blank check savior for XFL. If it were we'd have heard that publicly. Also the Sportico article about XFL looking to sell 35-45% of the league for $125mm tells me otherwise. They've been slow walking the league since the announced no 2021 season back in Summer/Fall 2020. Having money and being willing to spend it are two different things. AC Milan is an investment, XFL is a business. 2023 season execution is big, but so is the economy and that may hurt in 2023.
Why would we have to hear about it publicly? No reporters are asking these questions and I doubt Red Bird cares what 100 fans think on a random message board. The XFL is an investment just like AC Milan. Look at MLS, they lost close to a billion dollars since their inception and now individual teams are selling for $500 million. When Redbird bought the league out of bankruptcy they got all the profits and loss reports from XFL 2.0. They know where to put their money and where not to (hiring a $5 million commissioner). It's going to take a few years to hit its stride and I'm confident Redbird at the very least sees out the 5 year television contract.
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laxtreme56 wrote: Thu Dec 01, 2022 3:50 pm
4th&long wrote: Thu Dec 01, 2022 2:56 pm
GDAWG wrote: Thu Dec 01, 2022 12:12 pm

I think the XFL will be fine because of RedBird Capital. Unless they all of a sudden start to invest heavily in Crypto, Gerry Cardinale and Redbird Capital won't have any financial issues. If they did, they would not have bought AC Milan for $1.3 billion in September.
I do not see RBC as the blank check savior for XFL. If it were we'd have heard that publicly. Also the Sportico article about XFL looking to sell 35-45% of the league for $125mm tells me otherwise. They've been slow walking the league since the announced no 2021 season back in Summer/Fall 2020. Having money and being willing to spend it are two different things. AC Milan is an investment, XFL is a business. 2023 season execution is big, but so is the economy and that may hurt in 2023.
Why would we have to hear about it publicly? No reporters are asking these questions and I doubt Red Bird cares what 100 fans think on a random message board. The XFL is an investment just like AC Milan. Look at MLS, they lost close to a billion dollars since their inception and now individual teams are selling for $500 million. When Redbird bought the league out of bankruptcy they got all the profits and loss reports from XFL 2.0. They know where to put their money and where not to (hiring a $5 million commissioner). It's going to take a few years to hit its stride and I'm confident Redbird at the very least sees out the 5 year television contract.
Why would we have to hear about it publicly? Because it adds credibility big time. That's why McMahon said $300mm upfront and Fox said $150-200mm over 3 years. Why invest or do business with a league or get personally vested in a team league if its not going to last? Look at AAF especially with SA for example... people do get jaded.
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4th&long wrote: Thu Dec 01, 2022 4:09 pm
laxtreme56 wrote: Thu Dec 01, 2022 3:50 pm
4th&long wrote: Thu Dec 01, 2022 2:56 pm

I do not see RBC as the blank check savior for XFL. If it were we'd have heard that publicly. Also the Sportico article about XFL looking to sell 35-45% of the league for $125mm tells me otherwise. They've been slow walking the league since the announced no 2021 season back in Summer/Fall 2020. Having money and being willing to spend it are two different things. AC Milan is an investment, XFL is a business. 2023 season execution is big, but so is the economy and that may hurt in 2023.
Why would we have to hear about it publicly? No reporters are asking these questions and I doubt Red Bird cares what 100 fans think on a random message board. The XFL is an investment just like AC Milan. Look at MLS, they lost close to a billion dollars since their inception and now individual teams are selling for $500 million. When Redbird bought the league out of bankruptcy they got all the profits and loss reports from XFL 2.0. They know where to put their money and where not to (hiring a $5 million commissioner). It's going to take a few years to hit its stride and I'm confident Redbird at the very least sees out the 5 year television contract.
Why would we have to hear about it publicly? Because it adds credibility big time. That's why McMahon said $300mm upfront and Fox said $150-200mm over 3 years. Why invest or do business with a league or get personally vested in a team league if its not going to last? Look at AAF especially with SA for example... people do get jaded.
Because these meetings typically happen behind closed doors. Tom Dundon publicly committed $250million to the AAF, how did that turn out? He didn't even spend a fraction of what he promised. The XFL obtained a sponsor for a draft that wasn't even televised, obviously Zip Recruiter liked what the XFL was selling. Gerry Cardinale seems to be a private man that doesn't grant many interviews, that's fine by me. I don't need to know how the sausage is made as long as it tastes good
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Back to QB's.....I would not be at all surprised if all 8 XFL teams have 4 QBs each heading into their camps. San Antonio has 4, so it remains to be seen if they take a 5th QB heading into camp, but if they do, that is rare because not even NFL teams bring in 5 QBs and if San Antonio does bring in a 5th QB, it's probably going to be a guy who can also play other positions.
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GDAWG wrote: Thu Dec 01, 2022 5:41 pm Back to QB's.....I would not be at all surprised if all 8 XFL teams have 4 QBs each heading into their camps. San Antonio has 4, so it remains to be seen if they take a 5th QB heading into camp, but if they do, that is rare because not even NFL teams bring in 5 QBs and if San Antonio does bring in a 5th QB, it's probably going to be a guy who can also play other positions.
I think you might see a mix. Just going based off 2020 rosters, some teams ended up keeping three QBs on their final roster, some ended up keeping just two (a couple third QBs, like M. Williams, Dungey, Flowers had multi-positional value, too). I think the teams that end up keeping two will take three to camp, and those that will keep three will take four.

With only 66 roster spots in training camp as opposed to 90 for NFL teams, some XFL teams may choose to use that fourth QB roster spot at another position.
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