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First, there's no such thing as an elite quarterback that isn't drafted in the first or second rounds.

Second, giving first round money to a guy like Ehlinger would be moronic. Texas fans don't even want him playing quarterback for the Longhorns.

Third, Calvillo was not offered the Steelers starting job. He was in the mix for the backup job until Charlie Batch decided to come back.

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So Kapernick, Cam Newton and Andrew Luck are "elite" and Russell Wilson is not then?
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Our insider can clarify, but I'm interpreting "elite QB's that aren't going to be drafted in the 1st or 2nd rounds" to mean elite prospects, which Wilson was not. I certainly agree that Wilson has proven to be an elite NFL quarterback. But if we're defining it that way, then that somehow either means that the XFL is going to somehow out-scout the NFL teams or they're going to outbid the NFL for all of this level of talent, which means they're also paying big bucks to guys like Ryan Mallett and Mike Glennon.

But here's the thing: if the XFL had found a guy like Wilson and he had torn up the league, would we think differently about him then we do about PJ Walker or Bo Levi Mitchell today? We still would only know that he's an elite XFL/CFL quarterback; we wouldn't be able to also know that he could have gone on to be an NFL stud. So where's the value that justifies paying 20x for a rookie?
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Tank55 wrote: Tue Apr 06, 2021 9:22 pm Our insider can clarify, but I'm interpreting "elite QB's that aren't going to be drafted in the 1st or 2nd rounds" to mean elite prospects, which Wilson was not. I certainly agree that Wilson has proven to be an elite NFL quarterback. But if we're defining it that way, then that somehow either means that the XFL is going to somehow out-scout the NFL teams or they're going to outbid the NFL for all of this level of talent, which means they're also paying big bucks to guys like Ryan Mallett and Mike Glennon.

But here's the thing: if the XFL had found a guy like Wilson and he had torn up the league, would we think differently about him then we do about PJ Walker or Bo Levi Mitchell today? We still would only know that he's an elite XFL/CFL quarterback; we wouldn't be able to also know that he could have gone on to be an NFL stud. So where's the value that justifies paying 20x for a rookie?

Speaking as a fan. Russell Wilson was elite prospect. Most teams had him rated as a 1st round no later than 2nd round talent. Players fall.

Secondly. The most important part of this is that you are not drafting NFL style QB's. You are drafting CFL style QB's. Wilson is a CFL style QB. Now he has done well in the NFL but the NFL offense has changed drastically due to the progression and innovation of the CFL. Wally Buono, John Jenkins, John Hufnagel, George Cortez basically reinvented football offenses w/ Doug Flutie and Jeff Garcia.

Don Matthews a CFL legend changed defenses in the NCAA and NFL. He is credited to be the first coach professionally to run a style of defense and taught coaches like Bill Belechik and Dick Tomey.

Lastly. If CFL teams have access to these players like Sam Ehlinger who could excel in the CFL, yes you have to give him that contract and players will understand what the CFL can do for them as football players. You will also have a following from players in the future due to the fact they know their local teams can be a place for them to play. They can become fans of their local teams.

And also. Texas Longhorns do not hate Sam Ehlinger lol. He has done so much for that program.
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Almost none of that is coherent, but whatever. Looking forward to this future coming true. Go Alamos.
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MarkNelson wrote: Mon Apr 05, 2021 10:18 pm Polar Bear: Well you made Twitter go nuts, and all the fans who scour the web looking for tidbits of XFL news are sharding themselves with these rumors.
There are some complete idiots who tweet about the XFL on a far too regular basis. I see this board drove a few of them crazy. Good job.
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FootballYoda wrote: Wed Apr 07, 2021 12:08 am
MarkNelson wrote: Mon Apr 05, 2021 10:18 pm Polar Bear: Well you made Twitter go nuts, and all the fans who scour the web looking for tidbits of XFL news are sharding themselves with these rumors.
There are some complete idiots who tweet about the XFL on a far too regular basis. I see this board drove a few of them crazy. Good job.
It got weird. They should know that Twitter will rot your mind, excessive animated GIFs make you look stupid, and a tweet that is overtly titled as a “XFLBoard” message board post is exactly that. Frankly, if they had a problem with the content of the post they should come inside here and debate with the source.
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Just because a QB drafted beyond the first two rounds wasn't elite in college doesn't mean that they won't be elite in the NFL. Sure those are few and far between, but when a QB drafted in rounds 3-7 hit, they hit big. Russell Wilson is one of them. Another one is an 8 Time Super Bowl winning QB whom at the last Super Bowl Parade tossed the Lombardi Trophy from his boat to another boat with perfect accuracy and had a video of him being drunk as all get out accompanied by 3rd string QB Ryan Griffin soon after.
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And it's because of them you'll see guys like Daniel Jones and Dwayne Haskins be first round picks, even Zach Wilson--and had BYU played their original schedule they probably go 9-4 instead of 11-1. QB is the most overdrafted position in the league, although it's not necessarily a new phenomenon (as evidenced by the aforementioned Mr Brady watching the Tim Rattays and Gio Carmazzis of the world lap him on draft weekend)
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PolarBear wrote: Tue Apr 06, 2021 9:46 pm
Tank55 wrote: Tue Apr 06, 2021 9:22 pm Our insider can clarify, but I'm interpreting "elite QB's that aren't going to be drafted in the 1st or 2nd rounds" to mean elite prospects, which Wilson was not. I certainly agree that Wilson has proven to be an elite NFL quarterback. But if we're defining it that way, then that somehow either means that the XFL is going to somehow out-scout the NFL teams or they're going to outbid the NFL for all of this level of talent, which means they're also paying big bucks to guys like Ryan Mallett and Mike Glennon.

But here's the thing: if the XFL had found a guy like Wilson and he had torn up the league, would we think differently about him then we do about PJ Walker or Bo Levi Mitchell today? We still would only know that he's an elite XFL/CFL quarterback; we wouldn't be able to also know that he could have gone on to be an NFL stud. So where's the value that justifies paying 20x for a rookie?
Speaking as a fan. Russell Wilson was elite prospect. Most teams had him rated as a 1st round no later than 2nd round talent. Players fall.
This simply isn't true. I'm a huge Badgers fan AND draft nerd so this intersects with my specialties, and NO ONE was talking about Wilson in round one OR round two. It's one thing for you to speak as a fan and feel Wilson was an elite prospect; I can't argue that. But Wilson coming out was a 3rd-4th round guy for most. His two big knocks were his height (Drew Brees broke the mold but he was the exception) and his play style (at a time when the NFL was still predominantly a pocket-passer league).

Here's a story by Bob McGinn at that time, who had (and still has) connections to scouts throuthout the league. Check out what it says for Wilson, including a scout who had a 5th round grade on him, and another who saw him as a backup.

http://archive.jsonline.com/sports/pack ... 6515.html/
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