How many coaches will be back in 2022?

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How many coaches will be back in 2022?

Post by FootballYoda » Sat Oct 17, 2020 11:52 pm

Just a quick question. How many coaches will have moved on to new jobs by 2022? Isn’t the XFL setting themselves up for having to go through all that hiring again?

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Re: How many coaches will be back in 2022?

Post by 4th&long » Sun Oct 18, 2020 1:50 am

FootballYoda wrote:
Sat Oct 17, 2020 11:52 pm
Just a quick question. How many coaches will have moved on to new jobs by 2022? Isn’t the XFL setting themselves up for having to go through all that hiring again?
Yes. This is a complete relaunch. ie XFL 3.0

Agreed it will make it much more difficult.

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Re: How many coaches will be back in 2022?

Post by GregParks » Sun Oct 18, 2020 10:27 am

If you're talking head coaches, only Pep Hamilton has moved on to a new job (QB coach for the Chargers).

There have only been a handful of position coaches who have left for other jobs (Vipers OL coach Jonathan Himebauch is now TE coach at Air Force; Renegades OL coach Jeff Jagodzinski is now an offensive assistant at Wisconsin-Whitewater to name two), but I think most remain on the market.

The issue was because the league ceased operations in March, by that point, most NFL and college staffs were filled for the upcoming season. So there were not a lot of options for the coaches. We'll see how many get new jobs in the next coaching cycle early next year. Ideally, the league has been or will be in contact with those head coaches they're interested in bringing back by that point so that can start building or re-building staffs.

Also worth noting many of the coaches like June Jones, Hal Mumme, Marc Trestman, etc, probably are not guys who are going to get a lot of major offers anyway. They were either semi-retired at the time or wanted a job that was going to be lower key than what college or NFL jobs would require (one of the reasons Bob Stoops was attracted to the position).
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Re: How many coaches will be back in 2022?

Post by 4th&long » Sun Oct 18, 2020 10:41 am

GregParks wrote:
Sun Oct 18, 2020 10:27 am
If you're talking head coaches, only Pep Hamilton has moved on to a new job (QB coach for the Chargers).

There have only been a handful of position coaches who have left for other jobs (Vipers OL coach Jonathan Himebauch is now TE coach at Air Force; Renegades OL coach Jeff Jagodzinski is now an offensive assistant at Wisconsin-Whitewater to name two), but I think most remain on the market.

The issue was because the league ceased operations in March, by that point, most NFL and college staffs were filled for the upcoming season. So there were not a lot of options for the coaches. We'll see how many get new jobs in the next coaching cycle early next year. Ideally, the league has been or will be in contact with those head coaches they're interested in bringing back by that point so that can start building or re-building staffs.

Also worth noting many of the coaches like June Jones, Hal Mumme, Marc Trestman, etc, probably are not guys who are going to get a lot of major offers anyway. They were either semi-retired at the time or wanted a job that was going to be lower key than what college or NFL jobs would require (one of the reasons Bob Stoops was attracted to the position).
Some good points there ie these guys will have less offers. However the XFL rumor is no hiring till June 2021 so that's a ways off and some of these guys are looking for work. As you say they will be missing the next hiring cycle.

Another point is - they've been thru this before, and granted it took a WW China-virus to knock the XFL down, it still happened... they will be kicking the tires way more on XFL 3.0 this cycle. And the $$$ may not be there as it was in 2020.

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Re: How many coaches will be back in 2022?

Post by GregParks » Sun Oct 18, 2020 10:51 am

4th&long wrote:
Sun Oct 18, 2020 10:41 am
GregParks wrote:
Sun Oct 18, 2020 10:27 am
If you're talking head coaches, only Pep Hamilton has moved on to a new job (QB coach for the Chargers).

There have only been a handful of position coaches who have left for other jobs (Vipers OL coach Jonathan Himebauch is now TE coach at Air Force; Renegades OL coach Jeff Jagodzinski is now an offensive assistant at Wisconsin-Whitewater to name two), but I think most remain on the market.

The issue was because the league ceased operations in March, by that point, most NFL and college staffs were filled for the upcoming season. So there were not a lot of options for the coaches. We'll see how many get new jobs in the next coaching cycle early next year. Ideally, the league has been or will be in contact with those head coaches they're interested in bringing back by that point so that can start building or re-building staffs.

Also worth noting many of the coaches like June Jones, Hal Mumme, Marc Trestman, etc, probably are not guys who are going to get a lot of major offers anyway. They were either semi-retired at the time or wanted a job that was going to be lower key than what college or NFL jobs would require (one of the reasons Bob Stoops was attracted to the position).
Some good points there ie these guys will have less offers. However the XFL rumor is no hiring till June 2021 so that's a ways off and some of these guys are looking for work. As you say they will be missing the next hiring cycle.

And the $$$ may not be there as it was in 2020.
If the contracts are built the same way they were for the 2020 version, i.e. coaches could leave for better offers (remember the Stoops-to-FSU rumors?), it might not matter if they don't start hiring until June 2021 - they could hire in early 2021 and if the coaches get an NFL/College offer, they could leave anyway - again, if the contracts are set similar to the 2020 version.

As for the money, yeah, that's another good point - will this version pay the money it'll take to get a guy like Stoops, or others? We assume they won't dole out as much cash for coaches as Vince, but admittedly that's speculation at this point.
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Re: How many coaches will be back in 2022?

Post by MarkNelson » Sun Oct 18, 2020 6:28 pm

In the last go around, head coaches were not as willing to accept an XFL job until Luck convinced Stoops to come onboard. And that was done with the promise of helping to build a new league from the ground up. Once Stoops signed up, others followed. However, the filling of head coach positions took months longer than the XFL initially projected. Of course, other coaches were not hired until head coaches were in place.

I wonder if good quality coaches will be more willing to join the league this time around?

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Re: How many coaches will be back in 2022?

Post by Sounder » Mon Oct 19, 2020 2:13 pm

Maybe this is a little off topic.....but it was pointed out during last night's SF/LA game that kickers are favoring leaving the kickoffs short of the endzones to force the possibility of a quick turnover or to force bad field position. This more or less nullifies moving the kickoff up five yards to make for more touchbacks in the name of safety. You could start allowing receiving teams to legally use the wedge blocking to give the returner a fighting chance.....or maybe adopt the XFL kickoff.....something has to be done before somebody gets hurt.

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Re: How many coaches will be back in 2022?

Post by GregParks » Mon Oct 19, 2020 2:59 pm

Sounder wrote:
Mon Oct 19, 2020 2:13 pm
Maybe this is a little off topic.....but it was pointed out during last night's SF/LA game that kickers are favoring leaving the kickoffs short of the endzones to force the possibility of a quick turnover or to force bad field position. This more or less nullifies moving the kickoff up five yards to make for more touchbacks in the name of safety. You could start allowing receiving teams to legally use the wedge blocking to give the returner a fighting chance.....or maybe adopt the XFL kickoff.....something has to be done before somebody gets hurt.
https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/k ... chback-pct

So far this year, 22 teams have a higher touchback percentage than they had last year. I'd expect that to go down once we get into the winter months, but it doesn't look like there's a mass shift in the league toward shorter kickoffs. The rule has been like this for years and if ST coaches and kickers didn't figure out they could kick short to try to tackle teams before the 25 yard-line by now, I can't imagine it's all of a sudden going to be a "thing."
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