Article From The Athletic Gives Insight Into Ticket Sales

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Re: Article From The Athletic Gives Insight Into Ticket Sales

Post by GDAWG » Sun Jan 12, 2020 12:06 pm

Regular Joe wrote:
Sun Jan 12, 2020 2:51 am
NYJ6420 wrote:
Sat Jan 11, 2020 9:03 pm
New York might be an issue. February home games are going to be brutal. Nov-Dec can be bad enough. Guardian fans will be able to join Jets and Giants fans in cursing the idiots that designed this stadium without a convertible roof

By the time the weather becomes bearable, they will have to compete with two MLB teams
So true. And Vince should realize, Syracuse Carrier Dome would have cover the NY market. It's a Huge SUNY School with millions of grads in NY. It's pretty legit, you would have a packed house, you couldn't talk shit about them playing in 'cuse because everywhere you go there's a ''cuse grad. Most see it as the #1 NY College/University and the best place in NY to play a game in Feb. Probably would sell out to 20,000 seats easy. Lot easier then outdoors.
When Syracuse football is done with the Carrier Dome, the stadium goes immediately into basketball. That stadium is not lacking for dates.

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Post by MGB01 » Sun Jan 12, 2020 1:39 pm

Regular Joe wrote:
Sun Jan 12, 2020 2:51 am
NYJ6420 wrote:
Sat Jan 11, 2020 9:03 pm
New York might be an issue. February home games are going to be brutal. Nov-Dec can be bad enough. Guardian fans will be able to join Jets and Giants fans in cursing the idiots that designed this stadium without a convertible roof

By the time the weather becomes bearable, they will have to compete with two MLB teams
So true. And Vince should realize, Syracuse Carrier Dome would have cover the NY market. It's a Huge SUNY School with millions of grads in NY. It's pretty legit, you would have a packed house, you couldn't talk shit about them playing in 'cuse because everywhere you go there's a ''cuse grad. Most see it as the #1 NY College/University and the best place in NY to play a game in Feb. Probably would sell out to 20,000 seats easy. Lot easier then outdoors.
What's interesting about that is that Vince specifically mentioned Syracuse in 2000 after the first XFL was formed. Then again no NY-LA, no TV deal as it is. It's why the Arena League had teams in New York and LA in 1988 even though they had no shot of any success (and predictably were one and done).

I don't think he's personally that big on New York anymore, a sea change from when Vince Sr always used to say "The Garden is the Garden is the Garden", but when Andrade beat Rey Mysterio for the US title a week and a half ago everyone was like "That happened?" (Remember MetLife has hosted almost as many Wrestlemanias as MSG) . And when you're doing the league with a more college flair this time around, and New York has essentially no college presence, there's really not much of a point but I guess when ESPN/FOX are involved you make one.

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Post by GDAWG » Sun Jan 12, 2020 1:50 pm

The WWE's main home in NYC is in Brooklyn these days at the Barclay's Center. MSG has been open to allowing more non WWE wrestling events there.

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Post by johnnyangryfuzzball » Sun Jan 12, 2020 4:49 pm

The thing is that New York's metro area is about 23 million... by far the biggest in the USA. They've always had respectable attendance for football (except when teams were forced to play on Randalls Island). The UFL got 10k for their game at Giants Stadium. The Hitmen were second in the old XFL. Brooklyn was a hit for the FXFL. (For the future, if Minor League Baseball's contraction plan goes through, the XFL might want to consider taking over and expanding the Staten Island ballpark that's going to be left vacant. Welcome back, Stapletons! ;) )

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Post by johnnyangryfuzzball » Sun Jan 12, 2020 4:56 pm

GDAWG wrote:
Sun Jan 12, 2020 12:06 pm
When Syracuse football is done with the Carrier Dome, the stadium goes immediately into basketball. That stadium is not lacking for dates.
If you do Syracuse, you'd probably have to go to a peripheral stadium (which means outdoors, and lake-effect snow—ask the Salt Lake Stallions how that went). Your choices:

NBT Bank Stadium, where the AAA Chiefs play. At 11,000, probably way undersized.
Empire Expo Center, the state fairgrounds. With a capacity in the tens of thousands, it could host pro football, but there are major configuration questions.
Schoellkopf Field, Ithaca. This one would be interesting. It has the capacity (25,000) and would be centrally located between Rochester, Syracuse, Elmira and Binghamton, giving the opportunity for a regional team. But traffic would be a major issue (especially in winter) and I think it'd be far better suited for a spring/summer league.

Without access to the Carrier Dome, I don't really see Syracuse being a good fit for the XFL. You'd basically have to tell the Orange hoops team to go to the other indoor arenas (which there are a few in Syracuse), which is going to be a hard sell to say the least.

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Post by NYJ6420 » Mon Jan 13, 2020 1:36 pm

Regular Joe wrote:
Sun Jan 12, 2020 2:51 am
NYJ6420 wrote:
Sat Jan 11, 2020 9:03 pm
New York might be an issue. February home games are going to be brutal. Nov-Dec can be bad enough. Guardian fans will be able to join Jets and Giants fans in cursing the idiots that designed this stadium without a convertible roof

By the time the weather becomes bearable, they will have to compete with two MLB teams
So true. And Vince should realize, Syracuse Carrier Dome would have cover the NY market. It's a Huge SUNY School with millions of grads in NY. It's pretty legit, you would have a packed house, you couldn't talk shit about them playing in 'cuse because everywhere you go there's a ''cuse grad. Most see it as the #1 NY College/University and the best place in NY to play a game in Feb. Probably would sell out to 20,000 seats easy. Lot easier then outdoors.
Let me guess … Syracuse alumni? :)
Carrierdome would have been a great idea. Call them the Syracuse Nationals after the old NBA team or something catchy like the Onondaga Golden Snowballs

I like Rangersking's idea though, Red Bull Arena, close enough to the city, seats are at least covered even though there is an open roof and there would be less wind. The stadium would look fuller and better on TV. Plus we can go to Ferry St for dinner afterwards.

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Post by NYJ6420 » Mon Jan 13, 2020 1:47 pm

johnnyangryfuzzball wrote:
Sun Jan 12, 2020 4:49 pm
The thing is that New York's metro area is about 23 million... by far the biggest in the USA. They've always had respectable attendance for football (except when teams were forced to play on Randalls Island). The UFL got 10k for their game at Giants Stadium. The Hitmen were second in the old XFL. Brooklyn was a hit for the FXFL. (For the future, if Minor League Baseball's contraction plan goes through, the XFL might want to consider taking over and expanding the Staten Island ballpark that's going to be left vacant. Welcome back, Stapletons! ;) )
Forgot about the NY-P league parks. In the contraction plan the rumor is that, Brooklyn and Hudson Valley stay and move into AA Eastern League which would require expansion of the two ballparks. That won't be for a couple of years though and the XFL will have made it or not in NY by then. Besides the traffic on 9D and/or Atlantic Ave would be killer.

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Post by GDAWG » Mon Jan 13, 2020 1:49 pm

I am curious to see what Globe Life Park is going to look like as a football stadium outside of the artist rendering. It's probably going to look weird. The local media around here is like "why didn't the Renegades go for another stadium?" Many have said that TCU, SMU, North Texas and Toyota Stadium would have been better options. Many in the local media would rather see GLP turned into an amphitheater for concerts and festivals than for a football league that is potentially one and done.

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Post by Tank55 » Mon Jan 13, 2020 2:15 pm

Red Bull Arena would have been ideal. Maybe Yankee Stadium makes more sense? It's an awkward fit for football, but you have the location, the novelty, and the legacy (sort of) of football's rich history in old Yankee Stadium. Long term, if the XFL gets there, maybe they can hitch their wagon to the NYCFC stadium project. Or maybe they can get to a place where they can fill MetLife.

It's unfortunate things aren't going better, especially considering how the market pulled its weight in 2001. I still think it's good that the league's there. Even if they struggle in-market, the New York brand carries weight nationally, and if the XFL is going to make it, New York is going to be part of the equation. I'd emphasize that these eight markets weren't selected because the XFL thought this is where attendance would be the highest. This is all about someday landing a television contract that can make this league sustainable.

I really appreciated the passion, but Syracuse was always a pipe dream.

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Post by GDAWG » Mon Jan 13, 2020 3:02 pm

Red Bull Arena could work, but then you will have New York Red Bulls fans complaining about football ruining their field. Expect that from DC United fans about Audi Field this year. They will complain about the XFL ruining their field.

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