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XFL Seattle Head Coaching Candidates

Post by MikeMitchell » Tue Dec 18, 2018 10:37 pm

*Black Monday Update* Updated 1-12-19

Seattle is a unique market. It's coaches reflect that region. Look no further than Seahawks coach Pete Carroll, who is excited about The XFL coming to Seattle. The team name may end being an outside the box idea, as well as the team's future head coach.

Here are a few candidates that I think would fit this region;

Joe Lombardi- Saints QB Coach- The perfect XFL hire. If there ever was one. Born in Seattle. He played high school football in Seattle. He is a former XFL coach. Coached the RB's for the NY/NJ Hitmen. Has coordinator experience in The NFL. Is coaching under the tutelage of one of the game's best offensive minds in Sean Payton. He is the grandson of the legendary Vince Lombardi. There is no better PR move than this hire. Lombardi also played at Air Force. High character guy who has been featured in military ads for The NFL. Only 47 years old.


Marc Trestman- Former Toronto Argonauts/Chicago Bears Head Coach- Another great potential hire for The XFL. The former 2 time CFL head coach of the year and 3 time CFL Grey Cup Champion. A well traveled and experienced coach in college, the NFL and in Canada. With the XFL adopting a 25 second play clock. This is a veteran coach who has experience working in up tempo offenses and can lure CFL star QB's to the league. He has a quirky personality, which fits the Seattle market. Truthfully Trestman fits anywhere in the league and doesn't have to specifically be in this market.


Tom Cable- Raiders Offensive Line Coach- Cable is a former head coach who has spent the majority of his career on the west coast. Spent time as a head coach in both college and the pros. Cable won a superbowl ring under Pete Carroll in Seattle. So he has history with the region and the personality befitting of a leader.

Mike McCoy- Former Chargers Head Coach/ NFL Offensive Coordinator - The 46 year old was once one of the hottest coaching names in football. His time with Tim Tebow in Denver, where he adapted the offense to suit him and ended up leading the league in rushing. McCoy’s work led to him getting a head coaching job. After a couple of decent years, things went downhill for McCoy. He’s had two brief stops as a coordinator in the league and is currently out of work.

Bill Musgrave- Broncos Offensive Coordinator- Has played QB and coached on the west coast region for his entire football career. Well traveled veteran coordinator and QB coach who has never been in consideration for a head coaching job despite a long resume. Only 51 years old despite the long tenure.

Jim Leavitt- Oregon Defensive Coordinator- Versatile and experienced coach who has a 95-57 collegiate record. Spent some time in the pros with The Niners. Leavitt's best work came with USF. He can also be a candidate in Florida, where he was a star high school QB. However, He left Florida under a lot of controversy when he was accused of striking a player. Not sure if the Tampa job would suit him, he's spent the last several years coaching on the west coast with The Niners, Colorado and Oregon.
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Re: XFL Seattle Head Coaching Candidates

Post by youngorst » Wed Jan 02, 2019 3:19 pm

Tom Cable? Yeah, you might want to do some extra research on that. Cable is HATED in Seattle. If you want the team to be a complete and utter failure hire Cable.

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Re: XFL Seattle Head Coaching Candidates

Post by MikeMitchell » Sat Jan 05, 2019 1:29 am

youngorst wrote:
Wed Jan 02, 2019 3:19 pm
Tom Cable? Yeah, you might want to do some extra research on that. Cable is HATED in Seattle. If you want the team to be a complete and utter failure hire Cable.
You got a legitimate point there. I have friends and relatives who live in Seattle. They were happy to see him go. Initially he was well liked and respected. During Seattle's two superbowl runs, Cable was always credited with getting the most out of his lines. I think his hard nosed style and message got stale with some of his players. Cable has an abrasive personality and can rub some people the wrong way. Seattle's front office didn't do Cable any favors during his run there. They kept trying to get him to coach up undrafted players and some players who never even played offensive line before like J.R. Sweezy and Gary Gilliam. Seattle never replaced Max Unger and Russell Okung. They eventually traded for Duane Brown, which was a very good move but they still gave up 52 sacks this year, some of that is on Russell Wilson's playing style because no play is ever dead with him in the pocket. A trait that leads to Deshaun Watson getting sacked a lot as well.

Cable still has a good relationship with Pete Carroll. He is a veteran coach who has experience as an NFL and college head coach. People have to be realistic when it comes to the candidates that the XFL ends up hiring. They are not going to be able to sway current NFL/College head coaches or coordinators to join the league. It's because of pay and stature. The XFL head coach is going to have to be coaches who are not on the radar for head coaching jobs. Cable is a Washington native with experience in that market.

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Re: XFL Seattle Head Coaching Candidates

Post by youngorst » Sat Jan 05, 2019 12:56 pm

I am a Seahawks season ticket holder, Cable was not respected even in those years. He is a terrible offensive line coach and it was obvious to people even during the Super Bowl years.

Hard nosed? He runs one of the softest blocking schemes on the planet. Lynch made it work because he is a beast. Cable had nothing to do with it and the vast majority of the fanbase knew that.

You are simply wrong on almost everything you are saying about Cable. The front office didn't handcuff him: the front office allowed Cable to hand pick his offensive lineman and used high picks on lineman (Germain Ifedi was his handpicked first round pick for instance) while he was in Seattle. And they absolutely replaced Unger with Birtt (another high pick in the 2nd round pick). Both the defensive lineman you bring up were handpicked by Cable not the front office. Cable was the problem not the front office, period.

Still have no clue how Carroll was so blind to it.

But if he is the coach, no one is going to support it. Tom Cable is a fraud. Your average high school offensive line coach has better schemes. I still remember watching Ray Roberts talk about Cable's schemes on NFL Live a few years back, it was scathing. As Roberts said, Cable is constantly asking guys to give up their leverage which is something you never do in a blocking scheme. Duane Brown basically ignored Cable when he got to Seattle last year because Cable was asking him to do such stupid things. Pretty sure Brown struggled under Cable is what finally opened Carroll's eyes.

Tom Cable is proof that you can be very bad at your job but still keep getting jobs. If you want the Seattle franchise to fail, hire Cable.

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Re: XFL Seattle Head Coaching Candidates

Post by MikeMitchell » Sat Jan 05, 2019 1:57 pm

youngorst wrote:
Sat Jan 05, 2019 12:56 pm
I am a Seahawks season ticket holder, Cable was not respected even in those years. He is a terrible offensive line coach and it was obvious to people even during the Super Bowl years.

Hard nosed? He runs one of the softest blocking schemes on the planet. Lynch made it work because he is a beast. Cable had nothing to do with it and the vast majority of the fanbase knew that.

You are simply wrong on almost everything you are saying about Cable. The front office didn't handcuff him: the front office allowed Cable to hand pick his offensive lineman and used high picks on lineman (Germain Ifedi was his handpicked first round pick for instance) while he was in Seattle. And they absolutely replaced Unger with Birtt (another high pick in the 2nd round pick). Both the defensive lineman you bring up were handpicked by Cable not the front office. Cable was the problem not the front office, period.

Still have no clue how Carroll was so blind to it.

But if he is the coach, no one is going to support it. Tom Cable is a fraud. Your average high school offensive line coach has better schemes. I still remember watching Ray Roberts talk about Cable's schemes on NFL Live a few years back, it was scathing. As Roberts said, Cable is constantly asking guys to give up their leverage which is something you never do in a blocking scheme. Duane Brown basically ignored Cable when he got to Seattle last year because Cable was asking him to do such stupid things. Pretty sure Brown struggled under Cable is what finally opened Carroll's eyes.

Tom Cable is proof that you can be very bad at your job but still keep getting jobs. If you want the Seattle franchise to fail, hire Cable.
You are obviously not a Tom Cable fan. I don’t agree with everything you wrote but good post though.

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Re: XFL Seattle Head Coaching Candidates

Post by youngorst » Sat Jan 05, 2019 3:39 pm

Rather you agree or not is irrelevant. That is what virtually any potential XFL ticket holder thinks of Cable.

But the 2 main counter points I made are fact.

-Cable was factually picking "his guys" not the front office

-And the Seahawks factually spent multiple high picks on offensive lineman while he was in Seattle;

2011 James Carpenter R1; John Moffit R3
2014 Justin Britt R2
2015 Terry Poole and Mark Glowinski R4
2016 Jermaine Ifedi R1; Rees Odhhiambo R3
2017 Ethan Pocic R2

All of those guys were Cable picks. Everyone of them. The statement that Seattle expected him to fix the OL with undrafted guys and defensive lineman is simply not supported with the facts. Seattle gave him more resources (picks) than virtually any other team gave their OL coach in that time and Cable was picking the guys, not the front office. The failure of the OL is 100% on Tom Cable.

Either way. If the XFL puts Cable in Seattle the team will be a failure on the field and at the ticket booth. Here is a pretty good article that represents the feelings Seattle fans have about Cable:

https://12thmanrising.com/2016/12/28/to ... -seahawks/

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Re: XFL Seattle Head Coaching Candidates

Post by MikeMitchell » Sat Jan 05, 2019 10:05 pm

youngorst wrote:
Sat Jan 05, 2019 3:39 pm
Rather you agree or not is irrelevant. That is what virtually any potential XFL ticket holder thinks of Cable.

But the 2 main counter points I made are fact.

-Cable was factually picking "his guys" not the front office

-And the Seahawks factually spent multiple high picks on offensive lineman while he was in Seattle;

2011 James Carpenter R1; John Moffit R3
2014 Justin Britt R2
2015 Terry Poole and Mark Glowinski R4
2016 Jermaine Ifedi R1; Rees Odhhiambo R3
2017 Ethan Pocic R2

All of those guys were Cable picks. Everyone of them. The statement that Seattle expected him to fix the OL with undrafted guys and defensive lineman is simply not supported with the facts. Seattle gave him more resources (picks) than virtually any other team gave their OL coach in that time and Cable was picking the guys, not the front office. The failure of the OL is 100% on Tom Cable.

Either way. If the XFL puts Cable in Seattle the team will be a failure on the field and at the ticket booth. Here is a pretty good article that represents the feelings Seattle fans have about Cable:

https://12thmanrising.com/2016/12/28/to ... -seahawks/
The Seahawks went to 2 Super Bowls with Cable as the assistant head coach and offensive line coach. They had one of the most physical rushing attacks in all of football.

JR Sweezy was molded into a quality all pro caliber guard by Cable. He credits Cable with molding him from a non offensive lineman to a pro bowler. Cable was also instrumental in converting players like George Fant and Gary Gilliam into NFL lineman. Justin Britt also speaks highly of Cable.

There is no doubt that Seattle soured on Cable . It was time to move on. Darrell Bevell was also fired, as was Kris Richard. Those top assistants were shown the door because Seattle had an unsuccessful 2017. Seattle fans also were negative on those two assistants as well. Bevell did an ok job but can’t be forgiven for his all time Super Bowl blunder. One non playoff season and everyone got dumped on, I have heard and read Seattle fans ripping Richard Sherman.

Just to end the argument. I will concede that Cable is not an ideal fit in Seattle despite going to 2 Super Bowls in The Seattle market but I am not going to concede that he doesn’t have the experience or track record to be a candidate as a head coach in the XFL. Would I hire him? No...... that’s not what these lists are about. It’s about listing coaches who are realistic targets for the XFL.

I have been following football for nearly 4 decades. I played and coached it on the high school level. Start up leagues like The XFL
Look to interview and hire coaches that have experience. As a startup league, you are not going to lure away or gain the interest of head coaches or coordinators at the highest levels of football unless you break the bank to do so.

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