Ranking The XFL’s Eight Head Coaches

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Re: Ranking The XFL’s Eight Head Coaches

Post by XFL_FAN » Tue May 14, 2019 9:16 pm

XtremeFanForever wrote:
Tue May 14, 2019 8:57 pm
Here's how I ranked them on reddit:
1. Marc Trestman, Tampa Bay - One of the most boring hires but arguably the best. Sure, he sucked for the Bears, but the talent level in the XFL will be much more comparable to the CFL. All he did in that league was in three Grey Cups.

2. Bob Stoops, Dallas - Most would probably put him at the top just because he's a household name. His success speaks for itself, I just happen to think Trestman's experience will be more applicable to the league.

3. Pep Hamilton, Washington - The prototype for the kind of coaches the league should aim for. Experience all around the football world, both in the NCAA and NFL; close ties to the city he's working in; and still young enough to build his career from here. Some of these guys will always be known as "former NFL coach ______," Hamilton has the potentially to be known first and foremost as an XFL Head Coach. Unfortunately, candidates like this are hard to come by.

4. June Jones, Houston

5. Kevin Gilbride, New York - Writing Jones' and Gilbride's synopsis together because, to me, they're extremely similar. Past their primes but still respected coaches. Neither achieved very much as NFL Head Coaches but carved out a good deal of success in lesser positions (NCAA Head Coach; NFL Offensive Coordinator). This is basically a coin flip, but I gave the edge to Jones as I think his more recent NCAA and CFL experience will better suit him for the league.

6. Winston Moss, Los Angeles - His lack of Head Coach or coordinator experience is a little worrisome but he's had a long career as an NFL coach so he should be fine. As an LA fan, I love the intensity he seems poised to bring the club and I generally prefer defensive-minded coaches, but the XFL seems to be positioning itself as an offensive-friendly league so this could be a hindrance without a strong Offensive Coordinator.

7. Jim Zorn, Seattle - The most AAF-like of all the hires (former NFL guy now relegated to a lower league because nobody would hire him). Zorn still gets points for his NFL Head Coaching experience and his knowledge of the Quarterback position should prove particularly useful in this league. Plus he's just a nice fit for Seattle.

8. Jonathan Hayes, St. Louis - Perhaps the most "Original XFL"-like of all the hires (it says a lot that there are so few coaches of that mold this time around). I see the drawbacks, no Head Coach or Coordinator experience, no real ties to St. Louis (not that that really matters at the end of the day) but, like Moss, he's had a long career in the NFL ranks. He's not Bob Stoops, but that doesn't mean he can't find success at this level.
The more I think about it, the more I find Moss to be similar to Hayes (in much the same way I find Jones similar to Gilbride). Perhaps I was being a bit biased ranking him above Zorn and Hayes. I'm excited by the hire, but he will have a lot to prove. His selection of an OC will be hugely important.
Reading the comments here I don't think your XFL LA bias got in the way here. Moss is a leader of men, his team is bound to be a gritty group. Hayes is more unproven IMO. Everybody's got him at 8.
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Re: Ranking The XFL’s Eight Head Coaches

Post by Firecop » Tue May 14, 2019 9:41 pm

If Zorn finds the right QB and gets a couple of good receivers, he may surprise some.
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Re: Ranking The XFL’s Eight Head Coaches

Post by MikeMitchell » Tue May 14, 2019 11:43 pm

XtremeFanForever wrote:
Tue May 14, 2019 8:57 pm
Here's how I ranked them on reddit:
1. Marc Trestman, Tampa Bay - One of the most boring hires but arguably the best. Sure, he sucked for the Bears, but the talent level in the XFL will be much more comparable to the CFL. All he did in that league was in three Grey Cups.

2. Bob Stoops, Dallas - Most would probably put him at the top just because he's a household name. His success speaks for itself, I just happen to think Trestman's experience will be more applicable to the league.

3. Pep Hamilton, Washington - The prototype for the kind of coaches the league should aim for. Experience all around the football world, both in the NCAA and NFL; close ties to the city he's working in; and still young enough to build his career from here. Some of these guys will always be known as "former NFL coach ______," Hamilton has the potentially to be known first and foremost as an XFL Head Coach. Unfortunately, candidates like this are hard to come by.

4. June Jones, Houston

5. Kevin Gilbride, New York - Writing Jones' and Gilbride's synopsis together because, to me, they're extremely similar. Past their primes but still respected coaches. Neither achieved very much as NFL Head Coaches but carved out a good deal of success in lesser positions (NCAA Head Coach; NFL Offensive Coordinator). This is basically a coin flip, but I gave the edge to Jones as I think his more recent NCAA and CFL experience will better suit him for the league.

6. Winston Moss, Los Angeles - His lack of Head Coach or coordinator experience is a little worrisome but he's had a long career as an NFL coach so he should be fine. As an LA fan, I love the intensity he seems poised to bring the club and I generally prefer defensive-minded coaches, but the XFL seems to be positioning itself as an offensive-friendly league so this could be a hindrance without a strong Offensive Coordinator.

7. Jim Zorn, Seattle - The most AAF-like of all the hires (former NFL guy now relegated to a lower league because nobody would hire him). Zorn still gets points for his NFL Head Coaching experience and his knowledge of the Quarterback position should prove particularly useful in this league. Plus he's just a nice fit for Seattle.

8. Jonathan Hayes, St. Louis - Perhaps the most "Original XFL"-like of all the hires (it says a lot that there are so few coaches of that mold this time around). I see the drawbacks, no Head Coach or Coordinator experience, no real ties to St. Louis (not that that really matters at the end of the day) but, like Moss, he's had a long career in the NFL ranks. He's not Bob Stoops, but that doesn't mean he can't find success at this level.
The more I think about it, the more I find Moss to be similar to Hayes (in much the same way I find Jones similar to Gilbride). Perhaps I was being a bit biased ranking him above Zorn and Hayes. I'm excited by the hire, but he will have a lot to prove. His selection of an OC will be hugely important.
Very nice write up. Love the take on Pep Hamilton. It’s spot on.

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Re: Ranking The XFL’s Eight Head Coaches

Post by MikeMitchell » Mon May 20, 2019 2:48 pm

An article written by James Kratch at NJ.com

He has Jim Zorn ranked 2nd.

https://www.nj.com/giants/2019/05/ranki ... stand.html

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Re: Ranking The XFL’s Eight Head Coaches

Post by Sounder » Mon May 20, 2019 3:55 pm

Without an explanation.....here is the Sounder XFL Coach ratings.....1. Stoops..... 2 Trestman......3. Hayes. 4. Moss...... 5. Jones...... 6. Hamilton.......7. Gilbride.......8. Zorn.

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Re: Ranking The XFL’s Eight Head Coaches

Post by Tank55 » Mon May 20, 2019 3:59 pm

"Never really understood why the energetic Zorn did not get a second head coaching opportunity in the NFL."

Forget a head coaching opportunity, Zorn never even got a coordinator job after his time with the Redskins.

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Re: Ranking The XFL’s Eight Head Coaches

Post by MikeMitchell » Mon May 20, 2019 5:22 pm

Tank55 wrote:
Mon May 20, 2019 3:59 pm
"Never really understood why the energetic Zorn did not get a second head coaching opportunity in the NFL."

Forget a head coaching opportunity, Zorn never even got a coordinator job after his time with the Redskins.
It's crazy, how many people have contrasting opinions.

One of our XFL community members over at XFL2k.com, did a recent show ranking the coaches. To each their own, I got nothing but love for that site and any members of the XFL community, but Stephen Rachuk who runs that site and hosts a weekly show on YouTube, called 'This Week in The XFL' had Pep Hamilton ranked 8th.... Even worse than that, in my opinion is Marc Trestman 4th.

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Re: Ranking The XFL’s Eight Head Coaches

Post by Tank55 » Mon May 20, 2019 5:51 pm

That NJ.com article had the three rookie head coaches (and, awkwardly, the three black coaches) ranked 6, 7, and 8. People are drawn to who they know, which is understandable if lazy. The other factor is whether these lists are taking marketability into account; for example, that raises Zorn's stock and drops Trestman's, in my opinion.

Since I looked it up, here are the eight XFL coaches ranked by number of Google results:

Stoops 407K
Jones 323K
Trestman 189K
Hayes 135K
Zorn 134K
Gilbride 63K
Moss 52K
Hamilton 39K

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Re: Ranking The XFL’s Eight Head Coaches

Post by GDAWG » Mon May 20, 2019 6:00 pm

My rankings:

1. Stoops
2. Jones
3. Trestman
4. Gilbride
5. Zorn
6. Hamilton
7. Moss
8. Hayes

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Re: Ranking The XFL’s Eight Head Coaches

Post by MikeMitchell » Mon May 20, 2019 6:31 pm

Tank55 wrote:
Mon May 20, 2019 5:51 pm
That NJ.com article had the three rookie head coaches (and, awkwardly, the three black coaches) ranked 6, 7, and 8. People are drawn to who they know, which is understandable if lazy. The other factor is whether these lists are taking marketability into account; for example, that raises Zorn's stock and drops Trestman's, in my opinion.

Since I looked it up, here are the eight XFL coaches ranked by number of Google results:

Stoops 407K
Jones 323K
Trestman 189K
Hayes 135K
Zorn 134K
Gilbride 63K
Moss 52K
Hamilton 39K
Zorn is top 3 if we are just going by marketability. Specifically if we are talking about a coaches value to their individual market. Jim Zorn is loved and respected in Seattle, and rightfully so. He has cult hero status. Marketability in individual markets would be Zorn, Jones and Stoops. Choose any order you want.

Pep has a real chance because of his ties to DC, to grow in popularity. There's one point, the NJ.com article makes that I am on board with. There's potential for Pep to become a head coach in The NFL or even college. Provided that his XFL gig goes well. One of my personal favorite hires, and no disrespect to the other coaches but ranking position coaches ahead of Hamilton is unfair. At the end of the day, Pep is part of a 3 coach group of unknowns with Hayes and Moss, but his experience level trumps them. That doesn't mean that Pep is going to be more successful than them, but ranking him dead last is off base.

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