What are the Dragons going to do at kicker in minicamp?

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What are the Dragons going to do at kicker in minicamp?

Post by LeoNY » Sun Dec 01, 2019 1:14 pm

After the supplemental draft. All the XFL teams have a kicker and punter on their teams. Some of them have players who do both. Like Hunter Niswander for DC.

The Seattle Dragons are without a kicker. Greg Joseph signed onto the the Panthers practice squad this past week. On a side note, the Cowboys are working out Renegades kicker Austin McGinnis. So Dallas could be in the same boat.

Would the league allow Seattle to sign or pick up a kicker from the league’s draft pool for minicamp. The next supplemental draft is not until January. I don’t think Seattle should go an entire minicamp without a kicker. I am not sure if Dragons punter Brock Miller can handle kicking duties.

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Re: What are the Dragons going to do at kicker in minicamp?

Post by GregParks » Sun Dec 01, 2019 1:23 pm

I wonder if they may not feel the need to have a kicker until training camp. They could get one in the January supplemental draft if that's their theory.
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Re: What are the Dragons going to do at kicker in minicamp?

Post by MikeMitchell » Sun Dec 01, 2019 1:37 pm

Excellent point Leo.The Dragons do have left footed punter Brock Miller on their roster. Brock Miller was a high school kicker and did some place kicking in college at Southern Utah. So he could handle kicking duties in the two week minicamp.

The XFL should allow their teams to select a kicking specialist from the league’s player database if they are going into camp without one.

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Re: What are the Dragons going to do at kicker in minicamp?

Post by GDAWG » Sun Dec 01, 2019 1:47 pm

The XFL could sign much older kickers who may not have anything left in the tank like Mike "don't call me Ted" Nugent or 80 year old Matt Bryant. Or younger but mediocre kickers such as The Blair Walsh Project, Giorgio Tavecchio or Cairo Santos or even Cody "Double Doink" Parkey.

They are plenty out there, its just a matter of whether or not the XFL is interested.

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Re: What are the Dragons going to do at kicker in minicamp?

Post by MGB01 » Mon Dec 02, 2019 4:41 pm

Some options,

Erik Powell: pretty close to automatic at Wazzu, was at a couple minicamps, and then lost out to Nick Folk for the Hotshots job.

John Baron: Besides being the Pres' erstwhile alias, he was a great long distance kicker at SDSU, on the flip side was kind of average closer in. Was one of the 15 guys the Bears cycled through in the spring--guess Kevin Butler wasn't available.

Travis Coons: Former UW kicker with some NFL stops.

Nick Rose: AAF's best kicker (well him and Elliott Fry), thought he'd have been scooped right up.

Matt Mengel: Seems like he was at UCLA for ten years, was last in the Spring League.

Tyler Rausa: Kicked in the NAL in 2018-19. Also was in the XFL draft pool.

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Re: What are the Dragons going to do at kicker in minicamp?

Post by LeoNY » Mon Dec 02, 2019 5:32 pm

The XFL’s current kickers

Guardians: Matt McCrane
Defenders: Hunter Niswander (doubling as punter for now)
Vipers: Matthew Wright/Andrew Franks
BattleHawks: Elliott Fry

Wildcats: Nick Novak
Roughnecks: Sergio Castillo/Austin Rekhow
Renegades: Austin MacGinnis
Dragons: Greg Joseph (Panthers)

In the original XFL draft pool.

There was Roberto Aguayo, Cole Tracy, John Baron, Ty Rausa, Tristan Viscaino, Erik Powell among others.

I agree with MGB. Nick Rose would be a good choice. I kind of like Kaare Vedvik. He bombed as a Jet and Viking this past summer and it sounds like he wants to focus on just being a punter but he’s the kind of player that could use an alternate league to develop. Plus he can in theory, punt and kick field goals.

There are some long time vets out there like Blair Walsh, Giorgio Tavecchio, Caleb Sturgis, Cody Parkey and Cairo Santos.

After watching kicking in the NFL this past weekend. I have a feeling that more NFL teams are going to be cutting bait. Brett Maher and Joey Slye could be in jeopardy of losing their jobs. Both have monster legs. If they don’t get back on an NFL roster. They could be options.

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Re: What are the Dragons going to do at kicker in minicamp?

Post by GDAWG » Mon Dec 02, 2019 5:42 pm

LeoNY wrote:
Mon Dec 02, 2019 5:32 pm
The XFL’s current kickers

Guardians: Matt McCrane
Defenders: Hunter Niswander (doubling as punter for now)
Vipers: Matthew Wright/Andrew Franks
BattleHawks: Elliott Fry

Wildcats: Nick Novak
Roughnecks: Sergio Castillo/Austin Rekhow
Renegades: Austin MacGinnis
Dragons: Greg Joseph (Panthers)

In the original XFL draft pool.

There was Roberto Aguayo, Cole Tracy, John Baron, Ty Rausa, Tristan Viscaino, Erik Powell among others.

I agree with MGB. Nick Rose would be a good choice. I kind of like Kaare Vedvik. He bombed as a Jet and Viking this past summer and it sounds like he wants to focus on just being a punter but he’s the kind of player that could use an alternate league to develop. Plus he can in theory, punt and kick field goals.

There are some long time vets out there like Blair Walsh, Giorgio Tavecchio, Caleb Sturgis, Cody Parkey and Cairo Santos.

After watching kicking in the NFL this past weekend. I have a feeling that more NFL teams are going to be cutting bait. Brett Maher and Joey Slye could be in jeopardy of losing their jobs. Both have monster legs. If they don’t get back on an NFL roster. They could be options.
I don't want Cody "Double Doink" Parkey in the XFL if he looks exactly the same as he did in Chicago.

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Re: What are the Dragons going to do at kicker in minicamp?

Post by MGB01 » Mon Dec 02, 2019 6:21 pm

LeoNY wrote:
Mon Dec 02, 2019 5:32 pm
The XFL’s current kickers

Guardians: Matt McCrane
Defenders: Hunter Niswander (doubling as punter for now)
Vipers: Matthew Wright/Andrew Franks
BattleHawks: Elliott Fry

Wildcats: Nick Novak
Roughnecks: Sergio Castillo/Austin Rekhow
Renegades: Austin MacGinnis
Dragons: Greg Joseph (Panthers)

In the original XFL draft pool.

There was Roberto Aguayo, Cole Tracy, John Baron, Ty Rausa, Tristan Viscaino, Erik Powell among others.

I agree with MGB. Nick Rose would be a good choice. I kind of like Kaare Vedvik. He bombed as a Jet and Viking this past summer and it sounds like he wants to focus on just being a punter but he’s the kind of player that could use an alternate league to develop. Plus he can in theory, punt and kick field goals.

There are some long time vets out there like Blair Walsh, Giorgio Tavecchio, Caleb Sturgis, Cody Parkey and Cairo Santos.

After watching kicking in the NFL this past weekend. I have a feeling that more NFL teams are going to be cutting bait. Brett Maher and Joey Slye could be in jeopardy of losing their jobs. Both have monster legs. If they don’t get back on an NFL roster. They could be options.
Maher I just don't get, he has a pair of 60-yarders(!), but has been brutal inside 40--same thing I described with Baron. Listening to Justin Tucker and Brandon McManus, maybe some guys like kicking longer FGs. Of course in that case you'd better be nails...........in the 90s over an entire season because all you'll do is make a lot of people bald cause of that easy/difficult conundrum.

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Re: What are the Dragons going to do at kicker in minicamp?

Post by LeoNY » Mon Dec 02, 2019 6:27 pm

GDAWG wrote:
Mon Dec 02, 2019 5:42 pm
LeoNY wrote:
Mon Dec 02, 2019 5:32 pm
The XFL’s current kickers

Guardians: Matt McCrane
Defenders: Hunter Niswander (doubling as punter for now)
Vipers: Matthew Wright/Andrew Franks
BattleHawks: Elliott Fry

Wildcats: Nick Novak
Roughnecks: Sergio Castillo/Austin Rekhow
Renegades: Austin MacGinnis
Dragons: Greg Joseph (Panthers)

In the original XFL draft pool.

There was Roberto Aguayo, Cole Tracy, John Baron, Ty Rausa, Tristan Viscaino, Erik Powell among others.

I agree with MGB. Nick Rose would be a good choice. I kind of like Kaare Vedvik. He bombed as a Jet and Viking this past summer and it sounds like he wants to focus on just being a punter but he’s the kind of player that could use an alternate league to develop. Plus he can in theory, punt and kick field goals.

There are some long time vets out there like Blair Walsh, Giorgio Tavecchio, Caleb Sturgis, Cody Parkey and Cairo Santos.

After watching kicking in the NFL this past weekend. I have a feeling that more NFL teams are going to be cutting bait. Brett Maher and Joey Slye could be in jeopardy of losing their jobs. Both have monster legs. If they don’t get back on an NFL roster. They could be options.
I don't want Cody "Double Doink" Parkey in the XFL if he looks exactly the same as he did in Chicago.
Lol. Good thing there’s not a team in Chicago. Imagine Parkey on that team. Imagine Brett Maher kicking in Dallas again but this time with the Renegades.

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Re: What are the Dragons going to do at kicker in minicamp?

Post by LeoNY » Mon Dec 02, 2019 6:35 pm

MGB01 wrote:
Mon Dec 02, 2019 6:21 pm
LeoNY wrote:
Mon Dec 02, 2019 5:32 pm
The XFL’s current kickers

Guardians: Matt McCrane
Defenders: Hunter Niswander (doubling as punter for now)
Vipers: Matthew Wright/Andrew Franks
BattleHawks: Elliott Fry

Wildcats: Nick Novak
Roughnecks: Sergio Castillo/Austin Rekhow
Renegades: Austin MacGinnis
Dragons: Greg Joseph (Panthers)

In the original XFL draft pool.

There was Roberto Aguayo, Cole Tracy, John Baron, Ty Rausa, Tristan Viscaino, Erik Powell among others.

I agree with MGB. Nick Rose would be a good choice. I kind of like Kaare Vedvik. He bombed as a Jet and Viking this past summer and it sounds like he wants to focus on just being a punter but he’s the kind of player that could use an alternate league to develop. Plus he can in theory, punt and kick field goals.

There are some long time vets out there like Blair Walsh, Giorgio Tavecchio, Caleb Sturgis, Cody Parkey and Cairo Santos.

After watching kicking in the NFL this past weekend. I have a feeling that more NFL teams are going to be cutting bait. Brett Maher and Joey Slye could be in jeopardy of losing their jobs. Both have monster legs. If they don’t get back on an NFL roster. They could be options.
Maher I just don't get, he has a pair of 60-yarders(!), but has been brutal inside 40--same thing I described with Baron. Listening to Justin Tucker and Brandon McManus, maybe some guys like kicking longer FGs. Of course in that case you'd better be nails...........in the 90s over an entire season because all you'll do is make a lot of people bald cause of that easy/difficult conundrum.
I think kickers have an entirely different kicking technique when it comes to longer kick field goals. They have a different windup and trajectory to make longer distance field goals. They seem to change it a bit and kick differently when it comes to shorter kicks.

Some kickers are real good inside 40 but as soon as they attempt anything over 50. They struggle. It’s leg strength but also driving the ball perfectly with timing. There’s also the operation. Snap, hold and all that.

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